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I should think that The Lone Power/Dairine would be ever so much more logical.

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yes logic...what?

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odette-river.livejournal.com

Ooh..The Lone Power/Dairine. I like that even better than The Lone Power/Nita, which I've contemplated for quite some time. As for what else I ship? Nita/Kit and Dairine/Roshaun, though I really try to bow to cannon, although I cannot stand Nita/Ronan.

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Dairine's taken, guys!! Don't forget poor Roshaun!!

That DOES have its disadvantages, though.

(Will now stop before I begin spoiling W@W!!)

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LP/Nita has something of a canonical basis, though. She distinctly thinks he's hot every time she sees him...
... although admittedly, I think everyone thinks the LP's hot. "Fairest", right? Kit thinks Esemeli's hot, although what he thinks of the LP in his male form is never explicitly stated..

Anyways, why Dairine/LP? :D Love to hear some reasons.

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As anyone who's gotten beyond their first crush can probably state, hotness isn't equivalent to love, or even to a relationship. I truly do not get Nita/LP shippers; he kills her mom, so she loves him? I'm sorry, that just doesn't compute in my worldview.

Dairine/LP is another one of those "Huh?" moments for me, but less so than Nita/LP; her Ordeal (Dairine's, not Nita's) required her to kind of accept the Lone Power into herself and understand him, much more so than Nita's or Kit's did, since they just had to defeat (or change) him. I guess that for some people who just want the LP to hook up with someone, anyone, that little sliver of understanding is enough. (Personally, I think that if LP has a canonical relationship with anyone, it's the Champion. But that's just me.)

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I'd guess that most Nita/Lone Power shippers went way AU after He killed her mother.

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*grin* Well, that's why i said something of a canonical basis- I mean, I totally comprehend any and all issues that can be had with Nita/LP viewed canonically (as opposed to either an AU or a kind of exploration rather than serious future-fic), and I am at core a Nita/Kit shipper (which is why I have 50 words of a N/K story and 500 and counting of a N/LP story on my hardrve right now, but hey. I'll probably never finish either. ;) ) I was just saying, well, logically and viewed in canon N/LP and D/LP both sort of come out of the left field, and why's D/LP more logical?

I can see how it could be preferred, of course. I was just, you know, curious.

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PS, meant to add, thanks for giving me some of those logical reasons. *runs away to muse*

*comes back* Ew, they're like totally siblings. *runs away again*

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As the previous anonymous person said, the accepting the Lone Power into her on Ordeal could make for some very interesting (and very AU) fun.

I can't wrap my mind around the idea of canon fic in this universe, so I go for stuff that would make a really interesting or cracked-out AU. (I have a strong liking for people taking cracked-out pairings and making them work.)

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agreed.

Well, there's a little around. And I can see some sort-of canonical fic- I mean, obviously in pure canon terms DD's not interested in ever going there. But the whole concept of the fragmented LP- with multiple versions running about in non-sequential time- that still see a malevolent LP post-Reconfiguration, and see Nita working with Esemeli just after her mother's death, could have some very interesting uses in this way. I'm fond of a LP similar to that in Reana's Cacoethes, which kind of trailed off (I feel. *sad*) towards the end there, but started out to me as a very ambiguous, Sa'Rrahh (sp? arg) style Lone Power. Always remembering not to go too far into the whole "oh i'm so misunderstood' gig, of course.

Also interesting- to me, anyway- is secret-identity styles. ;) Um, to explain, in greek mythology as an example we see a lot of gods wandering down and randomly impregnating women (hi, heracles' mum whose name I've forgotten. And so forth. Showers of gold, swans, the whole deal) and part of this seems to be that these women are not really involved in the whole, you know, Gods thing. (I have not made a study of Greek literature, by the way. So lots and lots of salt with this) So I kind of cherish this rather silly scenario where Nita and the LP spend a day kicking each other's asses in minor day-to-day ways and come home and cook dinner- especially in combination with the fragmented LPs- but mostly because it'd be funny. ;)

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Now I have this mental image of some sort of bizarre hurt/comfort fic...

... and would the "kick arse, come home to each other" crackfic scenario involve Kit doing the "Love doesn't mean hurting each other. ...They have shelters, you know. ...You could stay with me. ...If you wanted." thing?

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*grinning* Well, I'll admit, it's cracktastic. But beautiful, in its twisted, sick way.

*dying* oh god. YES. Or it does now. *cracking up*

"What did you do today, honey?"
"Oh, you know. Cleaned up around the lab, messed around with some new things, defeated a malignant but ineffective splinter of your personality... how's the redemption going?"
"Only so-so, I'm afraid. Turning trillions of years of enmity into, you know, a gift takes some serious PR."
"Tell me about it. By the way, Kit wants to beat you up."
"Doesn't he always?"
"Nah, not like that. He thinks you're abusive."
"..."
"Well. Technically, we do spend a lot of time in mortal combat. That kind of thing sometimes puts a damper on a healthy relationship, you know."

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tsukara.livejournal.com

XD So amusing...

By the way, I love your icon. ^_^

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XD cheers.

Me too! it's by

faerieme129 & it's awesome. j'adore le petit prince

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Love-Hate, I think. Sort of like what she and Roshaun started out with. 'twould be interesting, so say the very least

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tsukara.livejournal.com

Anything I read/watch I ship. XD One of my more obssesive qualitites.

Hm...I'm a big Kit/Nita shipper...for a while I didn't ship anything but that. But recently...Dairine/Prince Unlikely as well. Tom/Carl is good too. ^_^

As for Nita/LP...I dunno. Kit/Nita is kind of my OTP, but for some reason, I have a soft spot for this.

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Now Dari/Roshaun- THAT's love/hate. I like the two of them together- it's a bit like a battle of the wits.

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tsukara.livejournal.com

I's one of the very few love/hate relationships I truly like. Usually I really don't like them, but those two? They work. ^_^

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yeah, I always thought I'd be meh on any Dari pairings, but once Roshaun rolled around, I changed my mind. You're right- they just work.

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bad-mushroom.livejournal.com

Dairine/Roshaun is my Ultime Ship XD They're awesome.

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Dairine/Roshaun forever!! I mean, it DOES have its problems, most of them political (READ W@W), but IT WORKS.

I think it works better than Nita/LP or Dairine/LP, anyway.

(And no, my caps lock button isn't broken . . .)

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No, no, I've read W@W, and I can see the problems, but they're still adorable :)

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yndigot.livejournal.com

I've kinda always wanted to see Kit/Dairine at some point and watch it really screw up his relationship with Nita. Just make everything so *weird*. More like a passing thing, though.

Nita/Kit, Tom/Carl forever. ::le sigh::

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I am highly boring and predictable: I ship Kit/Nita and Dairine/ Roshaun, and I'm iffy on Tom/Carl. Yawn. But canon!

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Not to bring up the inevitable, but IM(NS)HO, Nita/Kit is like Ron/Hermione pre-HBP- the author won't come right out and say it, but they are so going there. If not now, then in five years. :P

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Well, she HAS said it: miultiple times, in fact. Nita's had a couple of soul-searchings about the changes in wizarding partnerships and the "growing closer thing" including the one with the comment about "look at Tom and Carl, they're partners and they're just friends." *coffdenialcoff* They are like Ron and Hermione in that they've been skirting the issue for a long, long, time, though.

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yeah, that just friends line actually threw me out of the narrative, because I had to stop and be all "Um, wtf, Nita, so no." it's not just a river in Egypt, you know?

And, of course, you're absolutely correct in that this issue hasn't been pussyfooted around in the same way R/Hr was right up till HBP. HW is the most obvious example I guess of them, you know, tackling it, but hey, that skirt line in Dilemma stil warms my shipping heart when I re-read it. ;) However, I think since HW it's been very much sidelined, but I think that Nita and Kit have both changed a lot since HW- they've grown up, yes, but they've also moved with the times they're being wrote in. Some of what Nita thinks in HW sounds somewhat... archaic now, to me anyway; they're also circa two years older (uh, yeah, maybe. let's not go into timeline issues or all our heads will splodey) so I think that there could conceivably be a second approach to that around now.

equally, though, I'd be just as happy- maybe even happier- if it didn't show up for a while, because I'm not sure I want the distraction from the narrative. Totally can't wait to see them all kick butt in WAW totally platonically, for example- which is very different from my attitude to R/Hr, where I was sort of like "oh kiss already." I think nita and kit, a romantic relationship between them would not really change much, you know; it seems to me to be just a logical extension of what they're doing now. Whereas while r/hr seems just as logical and obvious to me, I think that their romantic relationship is not an extension of their friendship- in part because their friendship revolves so much around harry, maybe- but actually a reworking of their relationship in a significant but to-me-logical way.

*thinky*

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Except I think that Nita/Kit has a higher likelihood of working out long-term than Ron/Hermione. Ron/Hermione and Nita/Ronan both strike me as something very, very hot and also very, very likely to blow up irretrievably with great damage to all concerned. Both Ron/Hermione and Nita/Ronan are canon -- Nita and Ronan did kiss, after all.

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Mabye it has summat to do with the pairings being canon...

*meeps* you're a CTY-er too? whoo!

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But of course. 94.2 and 95, all Hamilton, all the time.

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Sadly, no Hamilton in my day (JHU 2 02 and Carlisle 1 03)

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Hamilton was lots of fun. I met the one, the only, Spam.

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*aweness*

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Eh, just means I'm old, is all. And it was kind of hard to miss Spam. ... Woah, I wonder if anyone who has the talent show on videotape is up for converting it and putting it up on the web? That would be all kinds of nifty.

And there will be legends about the characters from your years too, eventually.

... it just occurred to me that I have a core member of DIGIclan and an ex-boyfriend of same on my friends list. And that they are relatively normal as far as my friends go.

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Yeah, like the kid who changed his name on the activity sheet list to (something or other) Mc Jeebus. Now there's a clan of McJeebi at Carlisle. (For instance, I'm Kidney Fetish McJeebus)

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Hmm. I don't know. As i was saying up above, I think N/K and R/Hr, as ships, are very different propositions to me. The real comparison to me is the way fandom tends to align itself along the two camps rather than being free and liberal the way YW certainly is with most of the rest of its ships- we're just not big enough to pick and choose. Of course, because YWfen as a collective entity are, um, not like HPfen (*says some prayers of thanks*) we don't hate each other, we just talk about the relative hotness of a tall dark smartass Irish and a medium dark smartass Spaniard. ;)

Nita/Kit and Ron/Hermione and Ronan/Nita are all, to me, different. While I can see comparisions between R/hr and R/N, I think the relationship is different because it's not like Nita and Ronan started out being friends. She thought he was hot (like the rest of the natural world.) Whereas Ron and Hermione, to me a romantic relationship was always a natural consequence of their friendship- but not in the same way as N/K. N/K feels to me to be incredibly organic and natural and completely an extension of the relationship they have now, just an extra layer. Whereas R/Hr in some ways feels to me like it features a change in the Ron-Hermione relationship- for a start because it's bilateral whereas Harry is such a crucial part of their friendship.

And. i'd be more thinky but it's late and I'm doing volunteer work (save the free world! vote left and labour in the new zealand elections! onwards the lesbian cabal!) in the morning that I really should be kind of awake for, plus typos, so no. :P Hope I communicated clearly...?

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Utterly clearly. Yeah, I think there's very little wanktastic nuttiness in this fandom, which is delightful. My big problem with assorted HP 'ships is that certain elements are doing the "theirloveissocanon" thing, first pre-emptively with only subtext (more and less glaring, true, but still subtext) to go on, and then with added "nyah-nyah" after #6.

I mean, isn't half the fun of utterly nutty combinations the knowledge that in all likelihood, the canon author(s) won't go there? I know I date myself by saying this, but ... I was actually a little disappointed when Mulder and Scully finally kissed on screen.

I really enjoy the challenge inherent in taking an utterly cracked-out pairing and weaving a suspension of disbelief in there. I don't like it when fic authors ask you to go in there and suspend your own disbelief because they're not going to do it for you. Unless it's canon... and even so, I ran into a HP take on a canon pairing (Ron/Hermione) where the characterization was wonky enough to re-engage the disbelief.

I think I enjoy the Nita/Kit pairing so very much because it's entirely the kind of relationship I want to have when I grow up. I very much like the idea of having a best friend, a #1 wizard partner, and a lifemate all in one.

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